Comment by Jason Knight on "Are you getting away from Adobe?"

I never fell into that trap in the first place -- for photo/graphics editing I still use JASC Paint Shop Pro 7... which was the last version that had a good UI and wasn't a bloated mess. Adobe kept dropping new versions, but in terms of legitimate improvements I never saw any worth mention whilst the memory footprint kept growing and performance went to hell.

Of course you have the clowns, fools, and scam artists under the DELUSION that Photoshop is a design tool, when they don't know enough about HTML, CSS, JavaScript, emissive colourspace, or accessibility norms to be designing a blasted thing! Again, design is engineering that incorporates art, not art unto itself!

Hence why any PSD jockey calling themselves a 'designer" is an ignorant twaddle in serious need of a quadruple helping of sierra tango foxtrot uniform! As evidenced by most of them not even being able to calculate Y from RGB, much less knowing the significance of that.

I don't work in vectors apart from as fonts, so I use Hi-Logic Font Creator Pro for that and not Illustrator.

Apart from those, Adobe has NEVER offered ANYTHING I'd use by choice. That's not a joke.

You mentioned dumbass epic /FAIL/ like Muse and Dreamweaver -- gah, DW. Teaching two generations how NOT to build websites. A sleazy dirtbag SCAM designed to do nothing more than dupe the feeble minded into THINKING they can build a website.

The results invariably being inaccessible broken bloated train wreck laundry lists of how NOT to use HTML, CSS, or JavaScript. Zero semantics, WYSIWYG fixed layout design, and JavaScript doing CSS' job.

Such tools are a monument to stupidity, and the web will be better off the sooner such half-witted ignorant trash is hauled away in the garbage!

As I've said for two decades, the ONLY thing you can learn from Dreamweaver is how not to build a website. Sure the apologists will try and say "well if you just use the code editor and nothing else" -- but 1) I've never actually seen that done competently, and 2) AT THAT POINT JUST USE A FLAT TEXT EDITOR!

Of course JOE FORBID we expect people designing the front end to understand semantic markup or be expected to test in actual browsers as they go -- since "alt-tab F5" is such a horrific strain on their abilities.

Emil Moe for designing the graphics to hang around an existing layout, perhaps. As a design TOOL it was ignorant halfwitted BS used by people who didn't know enough about HTML, CSS, JavaScript, or accessibility minimums to be "designing" but two things, Jack and s*, and Jack left town.

Which is why the twaddles out there who screw around in Photoshop calling themselves "designers" are not nor ever were anything of the sort! At BEST they were ignorant fools, at worst they were -- and remain -- sleazy dirtbag scam artists peddling form over function.

JUST like the fools doing nonsense like wireframing before they've even considered the content or written a single line of semantic markup.

CONTENT of value, marked up semantically, BEFORE you ever even THINK about layout much less hanging goofy "gee ain't it neat" presentational images on it. Bent to your will with CSS to create the layout that you THEN worry about colours and presentational images. Aka progressive enhancement, which is how you get a layout and site that gracefully degrades to be useful to as many users as possible.

THAT is design! Putzing around drawing a pretty picture first isn't. That's graphic arts. DESIGN is engineering that incorporates art paying attention to accessibility, usability, ux, specifications, and other engineering concepts that the majority of shmucks and shmendriks futzing around in Photoshop never even seem to have heard of.

Which you can recognize a mile away the moment they use colour contrasts far below accessibility minimums because they don't even know the first damned thing about emissive colourspace!

Hence why on top of the shoddy half-assed code, the artsy-fartsy bull filling up template whorehouses like Themeforest and Template Monster are NOTHING more than giant scams preying upon apathy, ignorance, and wishful thinking.

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