Jason Knight

The less code you use, the less there is to break

Dec 3, 2017

You ever see the movie "Falling Down"? You know that part where the Captain tells Prendergast he doesn't like him? "I don't trust a cop that doesn't swear."

I don't trust a programmer that doesn't swear; it means they are not in the proper mindset, have the proper motivation, or the proper passion for the craft to be writing a single damned line of code.

If it takes you four days to reach that point, you're in the wrong huffing business!

But as Patton would say, it must be eloquent profanity. A programmer without profanity couldn't code their way out of a piss soaked paper bag with a hole in the bottom.

Hence why we are overrun by mind-numbingly asshat ignorant bullshit like jQuery, bootcrap, SCSS, React, vuejs, and a host of other dipshit chazerei; but don't you DARE speak out against the code bloat, increased difficulty of development and maintenance, specificity hell, or all the other monuments to ignorance that have become the bread and butter of the soft-spoken "can't we all be nice and not use any naughty words" camel-mannered tunic-wearing mollycoddles -- the LOT of whom coast by on as little effort, knowledge, learning, passion OR compassion has possible... or worse, learning the wrong things just because they don't know any better.

Again see bootcrap whose snake oil peddling continues to dupe nubes and rubes alike into thinking that writing two to ten times the markup and as much custom CSS as you'd have without it -- ALL whilst pissing on the very purpose of both HTML and CSS -- is somehow magically "easier". BULLCOOKIES!

The truly great programmers? For all intents and purposes they are Sith lords. The hate is swelling in you now. Give in to your anger. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you!

... and if you don't, well, let's just say you will pay the price for your lack of vision.

That or take Blade's advice. Use it. Use it... USE IT!!!

You get a little angry, and leverage it you'll be shooting though your code like crap through a goose, like shit through a tin horn. Someone else saddles you with bekaptah nonsense, you give it back to them double-dirty. Might not sound nice to some little old ladies at an afternoon tea-party, but it will help people to remember.

As to the types of statements I make... well, by Joe, I just get caught up in my own eloquence.

... and as our blessed St. George told us, worship the sun, but pray to Joe Pesci.

-- edit -- Oh and listening to Slayer or Cannibal Corpse can help keep you in the right mindset.

I agreed with you until you started trashing the frameworks, again, like you do in most of your posts.

You gotta let it go buddy. I read your contributions and for the most part, I agree with you. We're both seasoned programmers; we both have some battle scares; we've both been there done that. But right or wrong, companies like to use frameworks. "Some" do speed up development. Some ( looking at React ) I think are bat shit crazy and have way to much tooling.

Should a new programmer be using a framework before learning the underlying language? Absolutely not. OP sounds like a new programmer. Most here, are. But that doesn't mean they should never learn them. I guarantee you (I've been looking) 9 out of 10 times, companies hiring are using a framework of some sort be it Bootstrap or AJS or React or whatever. Had an interview last week; their using a C# framework. It is what it is.

Need to be prepared for what the market is looking for and put personal beliefs aside sometimes. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean your next employer doesn't either.

To the question - mumble bad words? haha. Most companies haven't learned yet. Keep the programmers in a sound proof room. They need: a bathroom, food, coffee, water and some kind of entertainment - pool table, xbox, whatever - and let them be. Windows help but keep sharp objects away. Don't make them dress business casual, don't make them attend meetings unless needed. Email them specifics (HR documents, etc...) and let them do their job.

Mario Giambanco "Battle scares"?!? Yikes, absolutely terrifying :p

I've NEVER seen a framework that sped up actual development -- it's all card stacking nonsense reeking more of propaganda and ignorance than fact. See react, see vuejs -- and the deeper I dig into them and the more I see people using them the more that viewpoint is reinforced. They universally seem DESIGNED to not only produce more work and more code, they seem to also flip the bird at accessibility, usability, and the core concepts on which HTML and CSS are based!

How the *** writing more markup and telling large swaths of users to sod off by starting out with more crap you have to learn is "easier", "simpler", or makes you "more productive" is so illogical, dealing with framework fanboys ends up feeling more like dealing with cultists!

To the point that EVEN if they "saved you" any time, the RESULT is such garbage it has ZERO damned business being deployed!

Again, see react -- EVEN THE FIRST DAMNED PAGE OF THEIR TUTORIAL:

reactjs.org/tutorial/tutorial.html

Is chock full of how NOT to write HTML -- from the onclick garbage that shouldn't even RUN if you have a secure website (see "content security policy"), to what seems designed to vomit up more than one H1 without <section> around it, to slopping DIV and classes at EVERYTHING with ZERO regard for actual semantics... the bloody tutorial clearly illustrates they don't know enough about HTML, CSS, or JavaScript to be telling ANYONE how to do it!

Particularly when it's either server-side processing crap that has no business server-side, or client side generating shit that has no business client side. Don't know how they managed to screw things up so bad as to manage both at the same time, but never underestimate the stupidity of the common man.

I've spent years, over a decade, trying to be "nice" about it, but until we say "enough is enough" and start standing up to the mouth-breathing halfwits choosing broken unreliable garbage that creates MORE work and needlessly complex systems, NOTHING is going to ever improve. We've tried playing nice, and instead of anyone listening and embracing concepts like HTML 4 Strict, separation of presentation from content, graceful degradation, and the most basic concepts of accessibility, instead we've got all this idiotic trash dragging things back to the WORST of late 1990's development practices.

... and I include much of HTML 5 in that description with it's re-introduction of redundancies 4 strict was trying to get rid of, and creation of new pointless redundancies. When the majority of people out there writing HTML don't even know what a LABEL is, why placeholder is not a label, or how to even use H1..H6 or HR properly, throwing more tags at the "semantics" is not the Joe-damned answer!

Don't even get me STARTED about the (string of expletives that would make a Marine DI blush omitted) VIDEO, AUDIO, and EMBED tags that should NEVER have been created or admitted into the spec in the first damned place as they are redundant to OBJECT. Sure, let's fight vendor lock in by adding vendor lock-in. Makes perfect sense...

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