Comment by Sky on "What is the most underestimated programming language?"

Python.

I have never seen developers recommending newbies to learn python as first language. They usually preach what is based on stackoverflow crap data. Python is one good language that can make you working on serious stuff pretty quickly compared to other languages.

Recently data science industry adopted it so it's back in light again. But for web development people wasted a lot of time on java and asp.net for years, they could have made frameworks with python instead. I also like Python community because they don't go on hate mode on other languages. Otherwise there seems to be a lot of hate from the language communities like Rust, Go and Web Assembly. It feels good to be part of community where they do their own thing and don't preach the hate.

Apart from python, I'd also say PHP, C# and Ruby don't get much recommendations either. But Job boards show you the truth about real market demand, instead of what people recommend in communities and forums.

I'm not sure... I mean, I totally agree that Python is a great language, both for newbies and experts!

But I've always had the impression that it's also a popular and well-liked language in most circles, and I've seen it recommended for newbies, and used in introduction programming courses.

[removed the reaction to criticism of Rust/Go/Wasm communities]

Mark I am rather curious about this rust and go bashing... I never heard anyone in the community every do this. I guess there are always idiots, but the rust community is so overly inclusive it's weird to imagine them bashing on other languages. I don't understand general language bashing ... maybe I should switch to prolog ... they don't seem to be participating in the language wars, maybe because they use facts and not statements ... gG I am curios how many people will get the preceding joke :P ....

And I proved my point actually.

You call me delusional without me being personal towards you.
You saying I am calling people trolls, fanboys and haters when none of that was directed at you, nor was the intention of any of my replies, anyone with 1st grade pass can see that. You took it on yourself and chasing me in each reply where you want to disagree with me. Proves the point.
It seems last 2 weeks you chased me to keep record of it. I didn't kept any record nor I refer to you in any replies.
This is not about you. You can block me and move on.
I don't love PHP. I work in Node and Python.
Your hate and attacks are pretty much visible.

YOU have a problem here.

Sky Just to be save, I didn't mean you as I said idiots. I meant people who hate on other languages. I guess this is a heated debate so I just wanted to clarify this.

Mark yes me too. Esp since tom my knowledge we both use some of the mentioned languages. I guess it can seam arrogant based on the opposing party and the emotional state we're in. I think it's healthy to argue about languages and their down and upsides. I know at least 10 things that annoy me about rust, go, java, c, php or python but also some really nice concepts I really enjoy while coding them. for one ... they are not javascript ... Gg just kidding ;)

anyhow I didn't know it would escalate like this and I tend to be direct so I guess my comment wasn't helping :)

That pretty much proves my point again. You seem to have problem with me. That you are chasing me in replies and pushing your elitism with insults and trying to get me to agree with you. And "characterizing large groups of people without any supporting arguments", LOL still not getting over that Rust better argument aren't you?. Funny, it rattled you pretty bad it seems. If you can't take that much why call other people delusional and accuser? You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper now. I don't even know which school you went where you were taught fanboys, trolls and haters as negative in 1st grade while rest of the world was busy forming words and numbers in 1st grade. Find some other target for yourself. The negativity that you have put in my replies here is pretty much explains everything about you.

Sky Mark Ok, let's stop the personal attacks right here. I want to point out that while heated discussions are ok, your argument escalates into unwanted behavior on Hashnode.

I agree with the both of you that you have strong and maybe even unloved opinions about certain languages. However always remember that all mentioned languages have communities which love them. They have their pros and cons. If you want to argue why one language is better than another, stay technical. Decide on a domain and articulate clear arguments based on facts, and mark your personal thoughts as such. Let's be civilized, please.

Marco Alka Yeah this got a bit out of hand, sorry. Good idea to abandon these kinds of discussions. Although it would be helpful to establish where exactly the code of conduct draws the line. In my opinion the snarky comments about other language communities were already out of line, but I'm sure opinions differ on that.

Mark It does not matter, where the CoC draws the line. The CoC exists for the community, so it is about where you draw the line. If you feel like a post goes overboard and violates the CoC, please use the report button and let a community manager or moderator decide on what to do. They exist to make Hashnode a place where we all can feel at home 😉

Marco Alka Okay I'll delete my comments and just report next time then.

I wish hasnode develops block button.

Sky You can add your feedback to the official Hashnode Feedback GitHub repo. Just request a new feature.

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