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I do the following:

• Define the overall target.
• Define minimal requirements in the best case needed.
• Don't care about possible bottlenecks in the beginning we're talking overall goals.

So than we have a conversation map. If we digress now we can always come back a the topic at hand since it was defined.

There should be a moderator. It helps. Oh and maybe speaking times like 5 minutes for a normal proposition.