Comment by Mario Giambanco on "Do you think most programmers are atheists?"

This is my view (will try not to offend) -

We're programmers, right? We all basically know - nothing exists unless we design it and create it. Randomness only exists because of bugs in code and if we did our job right, things are pretty consistent and work as designed. Now apply this to a god. Someone or something had to design life. Everyone and everything looks pretty consistent to the next - we all have 2 eyes, 2 hands, 2 legs, etc... The bugs are the cancers, someone born with 1 kidney, etc...

So "something" has to exist - this is why I'm religious. We were raised Roman Catholic (we're from Italy) and I personally can't believe something didn't design us and put us here.

The problem is, as programmers, we're ultimately scientists of sorts (IMO). And what do scientists want? Proof! To date, no one can prove a god exists. I don't subscribe to burning bushes or visions or whatever. Hallucinogens have existed since the beginning of time. Who knows what they were smoking back then, lol...

So - I try to keep an open mind. I believe in women's rights; I'm not against abortion (like the catholic church is), I don't believe you have to go to church to believe, I believe in gay marriage. It's hard for me to swallow Jesus was resurrected, it's hard for me to believe seas were parted. But it's also hard for me to believe some amino acids mixed in the right way, created a few cells and over billions of years, we have humans and animals. Who designed the amino acids then? Who designed gravity and light? These are complex processes that took an engineer to decide on the speed of light and the force of gravity.

God was one hell of an engineer.

If we don't understand how universe fully works that doesn't mean there is some higher being that created all of this. Gravity, light, amino acids etc. just are.

@atp but it could also mean that there is a higher instance, right? I personally like to refer to the whole thing as "magic", since we don't know jack about it, but it's there! I don't care if god==magic or somescientificfurtureidea==magic :)

@maruru sure that is your opinion, but the point is that there is no creator, at least creator like god, or god = engineer

@atp sure, that's my opinion, but how do you know as a fact, that there is none? :)

I'd say the burden of proof falls on he who claims something unseen exists. There could be an infinite number of explanations. Selecting some intelligent higher power and designating him engineer of the universe seems kind of arbitrary.

@niagr put it nicely. The burden of proof is on the one who makes that claim. And I don't see any proof here.

Thanks, nice explanation. For me, it is also hard to believe someone who created the most complex being (humans) put them on this earth without any goal or mission. Our mission is to spread prosperity by searching for the truth that comes with reading and discovering the facts behind this universe. The most logical religion on the earth is Islam, which answers most of the question that any of us holds in our minds. There are facts in the Quran and the Hadith of prophet Muhammad were told 1400 years ago, now science approves them. We cannot deny that it's impossible for someone from that time to tell such a thing. Also, there are prophecies that took place after the death of prophet Muhammad. Islam teaches to be logical, follow reason and deny blind beliefs.

Leroy Hutchinson See, that's the concept of what I call "magic". You don't have proof in any direction, so you can think or believe whatever you want, and you will be right for yourself.

So, if you think that there is no proof of the existence of magical invisible Leprachauns running around everywhere, but you want to think that they exist, then for yourself, they do exist, and no one can deny you that believe :)

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