Comment by Jason Knight on "How do you architect your project to cater to changes in frameworks and libraries?"

Easy, I don't use them. PARTICULARLY on the front-end. MORE so with HTML/CSS/JS where they are mind-numbingly idiotic halfwit garbage that no sane developer would use by choice; resulting in writing two to ten times the HTML needed to do the job, pissing on semantics, failing to maintain separation of presentation from content, and in general missing the entire POINT of HTML. Then people have the unmitigated gall to call more markup and specificity hell "easier"? BULLCOOKIES!

Server-side frameworks aren't much better; but then most of them rarely work on problems the way I think about solutions, so they are incompatible with my methodologies.

As I often say:

For people who know nothing about websites, BY people who know nothing about websites is NOT a plan for success.

Which even the bloody examples in the first few pages of react's tutorial quite clearly illustrates.

Though it's probably fine if you're the type vomiting up HTML with CtCR's of 10:1 (code to content ratio) instead of 2:1 or less thanks to endless pointless DIV for nothing, endless pointless classes for nothing, and a general ignorance of how to leverage CSS selectors and semantic markup properly.

You seem to have a very negative view on many aspects of the industry... and, unfortunately, I agree with you most of the time and feel that point-of-view is important and challenging. "Bad cops" exist for a reason.

All of these front-end frameworks take more to time to learn (properly) than it would just to build it yourself.

Bootstrap, Angular, etc. I don't like them at all and really feel bad for new developers who put all their effort into learning them for long-term use. By the time you learn half of the front-end frameworks - which always include stumbling upon several roadblocks that will need to be resolved - you would have probably been so much better of a developer if you had learned to do it from scratch. Some frameworks will even hit EoL, just as folks have become really good at avoiding those issues and teaching others how to as well. AngularJS is a great example of a horrible choice.

Fast, Inexpensive, Quality. Choose two.

Think of it as building a home. If you learn about materials you have an option of using - you won't ever decide to make the house out of cardboard. I feel we're at a critical stage of the industry, where garbage code is outnumbering the clean code - just for the sake of getting things out quicker.

Alongside a course for Angular, I purposely did the exact same thing they were teaching me... but, in vanilla. Guess what? My site not only performed better and didn't have as many dependencies, but everything I would write in vanilla js took at least twice as much time (if not more) to do in Angular - with zero cleanup even focused on in professional courses. The one that sticks out in my mind are event listeners that just keep going and going without any method of destroying them.

So, that's basically what we end up with these days... children who take all of their toys out to play, ignore 3/4s of them, and then never put them back into the toy chest.

Steven Ventimiglia The toybox analogy alone got you an upvote.

... and if I have a negative view of the industry, its' due to the overabundance of scammers, liars, and just plain incompetent fools who cannot grasp even the most basic concepts of the technology.

Made all the worse by many so called 'names' in the industry singing the praises of bad systems like second rate cultist spewing deception from the pulpit. Most of these "developer conferences" having been reduced to echo chambers of head-bobbers like a meeting of Heaven's Gate.

NONE of the people singing these praises or using these frameworks knowing enough about the underlying languages to even know if what they are using is ACTUALLY easier, or better, or gave them any real benefit; they just blindly parrot the same unfounded unbackable claims the marketing BS and cult has spoon-fed them like some sort of religious or political extremist.

Aka, the 7 classical propaganda techniques that have been used to spread bunko since Orruk first hollowed out a rock, pissed in it, mixed in some charcoal for colour, and sold it to Grok as hair tonic.

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